Job:1 Discussion Board:
Discuss this passage:
kjv@John:11:25-26 > > RandyP :
Resurrection is by no means just a New Testament concept. Even one of the oldest verses in the OT kjv@Job:19:25-27 insists on it.
kjv@Job:10-11 > > RandyP :
In many passages such as this we see the infallibility of the Bible in an interesting scope. Here there is an obvious contradiction of thought presented in debate form; both sides cannot be true, perhaps neither, perhaps parts of both. The Bible is accurate in its record of what was said. The synthesis of the debated points in the context of the remainder of scripture is the truth. The writers attempt is to challenge and stretch our understanding which when properly done leads to growth. We see also the difficulty of cherry picking single verses for our personal use without understanding the verse's immediate and general context.
kjv@Job:12 > > RandyP :
Great and awesome and feared is our God; his way's and thoughts beyond knowing, and yet at times like this knowing what cannot be understood is precisely what we attempt to do. Each of these men can be correct in their diverse points and still not know the half of it. What they do know without knowing the rest can easily be misapplied to Job's situation and the relief that he seeks. Can this be the infallible truth that the Bible is presenting?
kjv@Job:15 > > RandyP :
As long ago as these conversations occurred, it remains very interesting that all of these things discussed we still ponder over today. It is amazing how deep and concerned they were about these central issues so long ago. When we think how far back and how different culturally these men were from us, our similarities are striking.
kjv@Job:16:4-5 > > RandyP :
As we are often counselors to others in their times of need, we should heed Job's advice. We intend to do well by our counsel but how well if we are merely heaping up words against a person. The object of this type of counsel should be to strengthen and to comfort grief. Sometimes only people who have been through similar are able to fully understand this.
kjv@Job:16-17 > > RandyP :
Sometimes it feels not only that we are suffering for God but, also being piled upon by our friends and neighbors. Feelings of punishment can come from those who otherwise seek to help us. Grief over lost loved ones is not meant as a time of punishment but a time of cleansing and healing. There is nothing wrong in telling your friends so when such is the case or even separating yourself from them for a short time.
kjv@Job:18 > > RandyP :
Well that's comforting to know Mr. Bildad. He apparently didn't listen to what Job had just said. Perhaps he was too busy thinking of what he would say next to hear straight. Profound as it is it is not beneficial. We too should be advised.
kjv@Job:18 > > RandyP :
It might be better at this point for Job's friends to stop talking. How about taking a wet wash cloth and damping his wounds? How about walking him down to the stream and reminiscing? How about a campfire under the stars? How about reading from the Word and worshiping/praising/singing? How about anything other than the line of conversation these men insist on continuing?
kjv@Job:19:25-27 > > RandyP :
This is a prophecy. It is also his salvation. Just as we look back to the cross for our salvation, the saints of that day were judged by their belief forward to the cross. It is also a detailed description of a physical resurrection of our flesh. Not sure how the Sadducee explained this one away.
kjv@Job:19-20 > > RandyP :
Job insists that God looks upon him as an enemy which is not true. Job's friends see God as extracting a restitution for some hidden unconfessed sin which isn't true either. Job's one saving belief is the belief that he will one day see his redeemer on earth.