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kjv@Isaiah:53:1 @ Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?

kjv@Isaiah:53:2 @ For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.

kjv@Isaiah:53:3 @ He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

kjv@Isaiah:53:4 @ Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

kjv@Isaiah:53:5 @ But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

kjv@Isaiah:53:6 @ All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

kjv@Isaiah:53:7 @ He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

kjv@Isaiah:53:8 @ He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

kjv@Isaiah:53:9 @ And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

kjv@Isaiah:53:10 @ Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

kjv@Isaiah:53:11 @ He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

kjv@Isaiah:53:12 @ Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.


Conclusions:

1. The Bible can be best thought of as one complete report made up of two interdependent halves:

A. The older of the two which is the report of what God was able to do for Israel by establishing His prophets and by establishing the prophets He established the credentials of a soon coming Messiah.

B. The newer of the two which gives the reports and testimony of those who saw Jesus of Nazareth and attest to His fulfillment of the earlier prophets along with testimonies of the arm of God working from there on out into the lives of believers.

2. Caught in the limelight between the establishment of the two halves (beforehand/why and durring/after/result), there is the storyline of the enduring people and tribes of Israel who had been handed everything spiritual up to but not including a specific faith in the actual Messiah; this they would have to come to on their own. They are given in recorded historic form as an example to all of us Hebrew and non-Hebrew of what can and cannot be done short of a Messiah/Savior. (It is not the pretty picture of a people that one would expect)

3. The effects of the report on the individual and collective alike hinge upon one's belief in the details of the report and then the divine confirmation/arm backing it. By dissmissing the details of the report, one dissmisses all the signs pointing Jesus and the power of Him having achieved it's every righteous demand. The prophets of old that God Himself had established have never been accepted by the main stream even though cannonized into scripture; the twist is that this is how God most convincingly established them to be His prophets.

4. The overwelming reason for not believing prophecy past and present is largely because they speak of a transgression and iniquity much larger and broader than we are willing to accept. We are continously interpreting spiritual matters such as these by what is right in our own eyes, not God's. For this we not only reject Messianic prophecy, we despise anyone claiming to have fulfilled it. Instead we choose the more nebulous forms of non-prophetic moralism and/or relativism. Israel was dealt with in double measure for and against in this regard time and time again so that looking back on it it would be plain to the rest that this was not going to be tolerated by God.

5. By accepting the details of the report, we see Jesus in very clear and substantial form as well as what He has accomplished for the good of all mankind. Those under it's conviction will see His accomplishment as judgmental, those released of it's conviction as the ultimate gesture of Divine love and purpose. For the convicted, the desire of the heart is for God to love it as much as it loves itself. For those released, the desire of God is for us to love Him/others with the full capacity that He has designed and has made every provision in Christ for.

6. The stumbling point then seems to be the heart's perception of sin as it tries to analize it, estimate it's size shape and form, balance it's own justifications. The point however should be that regardless of what it is and how big it is it was big enough to warrant death, it was deep enough to warrant spiritual quarintine, and it was serious enough that only the sacrifice of His own Son could resolve it.

7. The question is not only if we believe the report and all the 64 books of corroberating evidences plus, it is how much we believe it and how willing we are to allow God to prove His confirmation of it.


The Apostle Peter summed up the importance prophecy holds in the Foundations of Faith or "like precious faith" as he would call it:

kjv@2Peter:1:12 @ Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know them, and be established in the present truth.

kjv@2Peter:1:13 @ Yea, I think it meet, as long as I am in this tabernacle, to stir you up by putting you in remembrance;

kjv@2Peter:1:14 @ Knowing that shortly I must put off this my tabernacle, even as our Lord Jesus Christ hath shewed me.

kjv@2Peter:1:15 @ Moreover I will endeavour that ye may be able after my decease to have these things always in remembrance.

kjv@2Peter:1:16 @ For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

kjv@2Peter:1:17 @ For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

kjv@2Peter:1:18 @ And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.

kjv@2Peter:1:19 @ We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

kjv@2Peter:1:20 @ Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

kjv@2Peter:1:21 @ For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

The Apostle John takes the point a step further:

kjv@1John:1:1 @ That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

kjv@1John:1:2 @ (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)

kjv@1John:1:3 @ That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

kjv@1John:1:4 @ And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.

kjv@1John:1:5 @ This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

kjv@1John:1:6 @ If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

kjv@1John:1:7 @ But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

kjv@1John:1:8 @ If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

kjv@1John:1:9 @ If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

kjv@1John:1:10 @ If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

The Apostle Paul perhaps ties it all together best:

kjv@Romans:3:20 @ Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

kjv@Romans:3:21 @ But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

kjv@Romans:3:22 @ Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

kjv@Romans:3:23 @ For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

kjv@Romans:3:24 @ Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

kjv@Romans:3:25 @ Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

kjv@Romans:3:26 @ To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Our confession is the confession of the psalmist David:

kjv@Psalms:51:1 @ Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions.

kjv@Psalms:51:2 @ Wash me throughly from mine iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin.

kjv@Psalms:51:3 @ For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me.

kjv@Psalms:51:4 @ Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest.

kjv@Psalms:51:5 @ Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

kjv@Psalms:51:6 @ Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom.

kjv@Psalms:51:7 @ Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean: wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.

kjv@Psalms:51:8 @ Make me to hear joy and gladness; that the bones which thou hast broken may rejoice.

kjv@Psalms:51:9 @ Hide thy face from my sins, and blot out all mine iniquities.

kjv@Psalms:51:10 @ Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.

kjv@Psalms:51:11 @ Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.

kjv@Psalms:51:12 @ Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.

kjv@Psalms:51:13 @ Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee.

kjv@Psalms:51:14 @ Deliver me from bloodguiltiness, O God, thou God of my salvation: and my tongue shall sing aloud of thy righteousness.

kjv@Psalms:51:15 @ O Lord, open thou my lips; and my mouth shall shew forth thy praise.

kjv@Psalms:51:16 @ For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.

kjv@Psalms:51:17 @ The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

kjv@Psalms:51:18 @ Do good in thy good pleasure unto Zion: build thou the walls of Jerusalem.

kjv@Psalms:51:19 @ Then shalt thou be pleased with the sacrifices of righteousness, with burnt offering and whole burnt offering: then shall they offer bullocks upon thine altar.


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FoundationsOfFaith1a > > RandyP :

kjv@Isaiah:53:1 - Two questions are just as profound and relevant today as they were 700+ years before Christ when we were first asked by Isaiah. Who has believed our report?_ When we look back to the time of Jesus into the multitudes of faces surrounding Him we see personal beliefs of many variations but, no belief that fully understood who He was/what He had come to do/what that would mean to each of them individually or collectively; in fact they were blind to the fuller consideration. We can also say that in the times further back around Isaiah that the Hebrews believed a great many things about Messiah but, did not believe what Isaiah and other prophets were trying to report to them. We can even wonder if Isaiah at the time fully understood what it was that God was trying to tell him as this chapter almost takes on the tone of one looking back when all is said and done, asking "did any of us really believe?". To whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed takes this inquiry to a much deeper level as it suggests that this power will not be revealed to just anybody but, to those who correctly believe. We today must ask then "do we believe this report", "has the power of God's confirmation of this report been revealed to/in us"?

FoundationsOfFaith1a > > RandyP :

kjv@Isaiah:53:1 - Let us ask then of what report Isaiah refers to when he says "our report". There is a definite tie to prophecy here as Isaiah is a prophet first and foremost. The most straight forward answer as to whether we believe prophecy or not is "no". Prophecy has meant little or nothing in the past/present to the vast majority of us. Even amongst those who do follow prophecy there is a tendency to self interpret it into something that better fits our whim. But, hidden in the context of the question, prophecy is underscored by the lengthy report of the Mosaic Law which we assumed all along was sufficient and that we were faithfully maintaining, but yet, the prophets were constantly testifying by that we weren't coming even close. Add to that the report of history, that over and over the same cycle played out of momentary revival to the things of God but, sudden and long term falling against those things, infatuation with things other than even to idolatry despite the Law and despite the Abrahamic Covenant despite acquisition of the promised land and supernatural victory over many a foe. Add to that the history of God speaking to man, that in almost every case God spoke in advance of what was going to happen and almost exclusively through men that had long been established as being inerrant in regards to prophetical matters great and small. The testament, the report then is not only of what Christ is to be but, what nature with which we opposed Him with and of how it has been established that there is no other way given under heaven.

FoundationsOfFaith1a > > RandyP :

kjv@Isaiah:53:1 - The amazing part of the Messianic prophecy is that no one man or women had the entire message, they were each given pieces. God has used these individual pieces combined together to reveal just how mighty His arm/hand really is. This could not have been manufactured by man nor brought about to this detail. Such revelation strikes fear into the heart of believer and non-believer alike and makes us all to shy away and deflect each in our own way.

FoundationsOfFaith1b > > RandyP :

kjv@Isaiah:53:2 DRY GROUND - When Isaiah's Christ finally appears 700+ years later, He appears amidst a several hundred year drought of divine communication. This predicted silence tells us more about this period of time than any words. For all the good and strong religious things Israel had going for it, minus prophecy what they did have clearly was not enough to keep the true spiritual landscape from ceasing up. Consider, they remained highly devout and trusting to the Abrahamic covenant and their blood line. Consider also, they were deeply zealous of moral law and commandment. They were bound and determined to regain possession of their promised land. They were deeply proud of their national history and religious tradition. Yet, for all of this it added up only to dry ground. We like they allow ourselves every intellectual consent to all things just and spiritual up to but excluding prophecy. Where does that get us? History testifies against these well intentioned Hebrews as the events surrounding Jesus unfolded for they did not know our Lord when He stood with them face to face as prophiceied in much detail. We must consider well God's hand as it comes to prophecy, the drought that continues for them, the drought that will end in the end times when the vail is lifted, when their believing son's and daughters again will prophecy.

FoundationsOfFaith1b > > RandyP :

kjv@Isaiah:53:2 FORM - Minus a divinely established prophetical framework of Messiah, Messiah has no form, He is whatever or whenever or whoever any of a billion different people want Him to be (or not). Not the way of a God who has written His undeniable code into everything else universal. Here it is not that Messiah does not have form, it is that we don't accept the form that He is in because we don't accept the prophecy concerning Him. The report we purposely reject is a detailed account of who He is, what He has to do, why He has to do it, why there is no other way. If the report is fulfilled down to the smallest detail and confirmed from on high and we still do not accept it, then that is no longer a problem with the acceptability of the report it is rather a outing of a rejecting heart.

FoundationsOfFaith1c > > RandyP :

kjv@Isaiah:53:3 Estimation - Myself coming from a medical background, I know first hand how easy and how often it is that the patient rejects and denies the Doctor's report. Eyes glaze over and the ears hear only what they want to hear. Worse of all, the blame is transfered from evidence to the examiner, from the problem to the cure, from medical reasoning to pie in the sky positive and dismissive imagination. The revealer of spiritual truth likewise becomes the despised and rejected, He is the gloomy boone, the stick in the mud, the one only acquainted with grief and sorrow. Perhaps however it is the grief of knowing the cause and the condition and the means to a beneficial outcome but, see's in the patient's future a week of half hearted diet and exercise and three months further to a final heart attack (of which the doctor will be blamed).

FoundationsOfFaith1c > > RandyP :

kjv@Isaiah:53:3 Estimation - Human alliance and allegiance are largely based upon the perception of concerted power and it's ability to enforce strategic will. Minus prophecy we are left to seeing Jesus as the victim; perhaps the ultimate victim... nothing more. The victory that the prophets intended for us to see is lost in the formless and nebulous wish wash dissonant imagination. Jesus did/does in fact exert emense concerted power and enforces strategic (over sin/death/creation/eternity etc..), but, not in the manner that immediately serves our rebellious self will best.

FoundationsOfFaith1d > > RandyP :

kjv@Isaiah:53:4 SURELY - Despite the exhortation "to live life with no regrets" very few of us ever do. And the ones that do, may do it more out of callousness and spite. Many fall to the opposite extreme of overwhelming sorrow and grief and many rest uncomfortably somewhere in the middle. Should I however re-read this verse and add my sorrows to the sorrows that I have caused others, lay the sorrows yours and mine upon the next person and the next until all the sorrows of all the souls that have lived here on this earth; you can see that there is quite a bit of sorrows for the Lord to bare. Shall we add up then our griefs? Shall we add to our perceptions of this weight to the reality of it? Some people do not care whether Jesus carries their personal sorrows and griefs; it does not move them, to heck with the weight of others. Many do care and are thankful, but, their esteem for Him sadly goes no further than Him being stricken/smitten/afflicted.

FoundationsOfFaith1d > > RandyP :

kjv@Isaiah:53:4 SURELY - What becomes even more amazing is that this is predicted long before it happened, how we were going to see and react to Messiah, and we still reacted and still react today in this manner. This is a sign of the prophecy being exactly right.

FoundationsOfFaith1e > > RandyP :

kjv@Isaiah:53:5 BUT HE WAS - Israel's historic rejections of prophecy like ours today is centered upon the concept of what is "right in our own eyes". If the prophet says that things are not right, if the law says things are not right, if history says things are not right, if captivity and bondage and poverty says things are not right, if lifeless static religion and devotion says that things are not right, then all these things must be wrong and falsely accusing because we ourselves feel ourselves as doing these things right. When all these things suggest transgression and iniquity and suggest it being so for ages regardless of our actions our intentions it is best that we listen. When the Son of God becomes wounded/bruised/chastised/scurged for our actions and conditions we need to take notice regardless of what we theorize transgression and iniquity to be. The fact is that these things are serious enough that (no matter what we believe these things to be) God took a very specific action on our behalf.

FoundationsOfFaith1f > > RandyP :

kjv@Isaiah:53:6 GONE ASTRAY - Using Israel as our example, where did we all go astray? Morality/Civility? Devotion/Zealousness? Belief/Determination/Hope? Perseverance/Endurance/Suffering? Tradition/Heritage? No. Prophecy! All of these other worthy elements only go to show our desperate need for this iniquity to be lifted from us, the utter vanity of human effort in doing so. Via prophecy we understand that iniquity isn't just lifted, it has to go somewhere and not just anybody can lift it nor take it upon themselves. More importantly, iniquity is not just stolen away from us by Jesus, it must be acknowledged, turned from and willingly surrendered to Him. Via these other elements we are subjected by God to this vanity with a hope that we would come to this one conclusion: the need for Christ complete. Should we go our own way on this central point we will have gone astray. This is where we all have gone astray and continue.

FoundationsOfFaith1g > > RandyP :

kjv@Isaiah:53:7 - The plan is obvious, let the prophets do the speaking, let Messiah do the doing, and in the fulfillment of these things in this precise even miraculous way the arm of the Lord is revealed throughout. The spiritual truth Jesus wants us to face up to is best revealed to us by our observing what He was willing to endure from God the Father silently without complaint or argument or legal maneuver as our substitute. What is it then that His silence says? Divine Love. Not just sacrificial but, redeeming. Not just righteous but, much needed. Not nebulous and warm and fuzzy and whatever we want it to be but, structured and predicted and specific and proven. It is a love to be surrendered to and enveloped within. What we know of Divine Love minus this prophetical structure is little more than the very rejection that nails Him to the cross, keeps Him off at a shadowy intellectual distance. What He knows of the Triune Love Divine expects much more than the vanity of our death and condemnation, its is the hope of a resurrection into a new and glorious light. His light. Mercy and Truth are met together. What words could be formed to precisely convey this? None.

FoundationsOfFaith1h > > RandyP :

kjv@Isaiah:53:8 - There can be no doubt that this chapter prophecies about the Messiah, that this verse in particular prophecies His death. How Hebrew scholars come to two Messiahs (Lamb and King) at one time instead of one Messiah at two times (Sacrificial Lamb then because of that returning Triumphant King) is beyond scriptural interpretation. The death of Messiah is all important to His being rightful King. Just as His resurrection in kjv@Isaiah:53:10-12 .

FoundationsOfFaith1h > > RandyP :

kjv@Isaiah:53:8 - By the time of this verses' fulfillment there should be two very familiar Jewish phrases borrowed from Hebrew prophets (major and minor) "transgression" and "my people". After all the times the prophets have mentioned this in the many national prophecies that have already come true, after all the times the nation has finally repented from these and been restored, Isaiah's use here and now should touch a central nerve. It should but, it doesn't. What is it that people then and people today most dislike about prophecy? The constant reminder of transgression and the misunderstanding of what is meant by the title "my people". Non Hebrews the world over have difficulty with the Jews as a whole either because they see contradiction in that the 'respecter of no man' has favor on a 'peculiar people' or because a specific Jewish transgression killed everyone else’s Savior or because an ancestor of theirs was tricked out of their birth right. Set those preconceptions aside for the moment and realize that all we have gone astray like sheep, that He has set apart certain sheep as an example (pursuing all that religion offers minus prophecy therefore over stepping the set line) that we might see our need and our transgression by theirs. He deals with them in double measure so that He doesn't have to deal with the rest of us in the same tone. Will there be reward for Israel having undergone this? Yes indeed but, not until the new beginning. Non believers today are fooled into looking for immediate perfection in the "chosen (nation or church)" where it should be seen transgressors clinging to Messiah for deliverance.

FoundationsOfFaith1i > > RandyP :

kjv@Isaiah:53:9 - Death is the consequence of sin. How is it that Christ died if He did not sin? Our sin is transfered on to Him. How it is that the Jews missed this is a mystery as they had been practicing substitutionary sacrifice since the time of Cain and Abel. Abraham had been stopped short of sacrificing his son by God having been told that the God Himself would provide His own sacrifice when the time came. The problem the scholars had with this particular sacrifice is that Jesus claims to be tri-equal in the Godhead; God would not reduce Himself to becoming flesh and therefore would not be in a position to die... eternal is always eternal in their logic. Let's go back to the sacrifice however... what innocent sacrifice would be left God the Father to transfer our sin's to if not either His Holy Spirit or His Holy Son whom all things were created through and for? Can an eternal Angel be made flesh? Can an Angel then be the substitution? Following this logic, the Jews are left without a final sacrifice. They are also left without something vitally important to the rest of their religious endeavors as well: the prophetic structure of a Messiah. Thus, despite everything that the scriptures tell us about Messiah and all that the of the arm of the Lord has since revealed, Jesus being Messiah to them is blaspheme. The same contradictory logic plagues a great many tutored intellects still today.

FoundationsOfFaith1j > > RandyP :

kjv@Isaiah:53:10 THE PLEASURE OF THE LORD - There is something much more to Jehovah's pleasure than finally seeing someone suffer for sin or being able to punish someone for all this wrong doing, get all this anger off His chest. There is that for the moment only prophetic eyes can see resulting from this sacrifice that ties everything that we have been through to everything that He intended for us; something that in the end He would be willing to reinstate eternal life and communion with. It is not us just being better people. It is not Israel just being a stronger Israel. It is not about the martyrs and the prophets being able to say "see I told you so". It is not about getting rid of all the bad apples that distract us. This is about Divinity and Holiness and hope fulfilled and stunning mercy and righteousness and true and honest heart felt worship and a deliverance from all this corruption into the rightful Kingdom of our true King Jesus. This is about things that have yet to even entered our minds. God is most pleased now for this sacrificial stage having been fulfilled now in Jesus? Yes I should say! But are we?

FoundationsOfFaith1k > > RandyP :

kjv@Isaiah:53:11 BY HIS KNOWLEDGE - The knowledge of Him is afforded to us by the report of the prophets first and foremost and then by the testimony of those present with Him and then by the testimony of the Law/the History/the general scriptures. These are all works of the Holy Spirit. Had there not been the report there would be no way for us to know anything else than we could imagine. We would not know why to look for Him. We would not know when to look for Him. We would not know where to look for Him. We would not know what He would be like, what His message would be, what He would have to do, why He would have to do it in a very specific way. We would not know what the result of Him doing this would mean to us, how bad our situation really was, how much the truth would actually be despised and rejected, how secular and religious history would depict Him. Having this knowledge of Him now we can begin to see how His further knowledge of the Father is working to justify many. Light poured into darkness.

FoundationsOfFaith1k > > RandyP :

kjv@Isaiah:53:11 TRAVAIL/SATISFIED - Death is one thing, the travail added upon Jesus' soul in death is unimaginable. The prophetical and eye witness accounts of what Christ suffered are overwhelming. Even these accounts however have little power to convict the wayward heart if not convinced of how the suffering fits into the larger structure of Messianic prophecy. Justifying and bearing each individual's iniquity is of little transformitive consequence until one is convinced further that the Arm of the Lord has been revealed in it and that the power and force of God almighty has confirmed it to be so. How then is that confirmed? Continue on then to the power of Christ's Ressurection.

FoundationsOfFaith1l > > RandyP :

kjv@Isaiah:53:12 HE SHALL DIVIDE - How can the dead Christ divide anything with anyone when He is dead? It is in the resurrection of Christ that the confirmation of the prophets' report is most powerfully revealed. Jesus was a man of miracles certainly but, Jesus could not have performed this miracle on Himself. This would be the hand of God alone. Not resurrected like Lazarus restored back to this life only to die again, instead resurrected as the first born from the entirety of death into His glorified eternal state, witnessed of physically and then witnessed ascending to the right hand throne of God. Sin, iniquity, transgression, death, all defeated and lifted. His resurrection is the guarantee of our future resurrection and the division of His spoils to His eternal flock. It is the arm of the Lord revealed. It is also our guarantee of His intercession in the meantime till that glorious day comes. It is all to the praise of the heavenly Father who designed and intended and by grace made to happen in exact and righteous fashion.

FoundationsOfFaith1l > > RandyP :

kjv@Isaiah:53:12 - The word "great" used here might better refer to "the many". It may at the same time refer to those who have been made strong in their own resurrection through His. God the Father will give a large portion of all dominion to Jesus, in turn Jesus will divide the spoils of that with a great many. The plan was never toward letting us become whatsoever/whosoever we wanted to be thus fulfilling our deceitful desires, it was for Jesus to be our eternal Lord and for us to be partakers/receipients of His divine nature, the children of the living God, spiritual creatures of tremendous significance.


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