The FaithOfJesus2 Daily Devotional

Focus:

kjv@Revelation:14:12 @ Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.


( FaithOfJesus thread begun by RandyP )

Today's Verse:

kjv@Luke:9:10-17

kjv@Luke:9:10 @ And the apostles, when they were returned, told him all that they had done. And he took them, and went aside privately into a desert place belonging to the city called Bethsaida.

kjv@Luke:9:11 @ And the people, when they knew it, followed him: and he received them, and spake unto them of the kingdom of God, and healed them that had need of healing.

kjv@Luke:9:12 @ And when the day began to wear away, then came the twelve, and said unto him, Send the multitude away, that they may go into the towns and country round about, and lodge, and get victuals: for we are here in a desert place.

kjv@Luke:9:13 @ But he said unto them, Give ye them to eat. And they said, We have no more but five loaves and two fishes; except we should go and buy meat for all this people.

kjv@Luke:9:14 @ For they were about five thousand men. And he said to his disciples, Make them sit down by fifties in a company.

kjv@Luke:9:15 @ And they did so, and made them all sit down.

kjv@Luke:9:16 @ Then he took the five loaves and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he blessed them, and brake, and gave to the disciples to set before the multitude.

kjv@Luke:9:17 @ And they did eat, and were all filled: and there was taken up of fragments that remained to them twelve baskets.


Today's notes:

Quoted index: FAITHOFJESUSAUDIO - Luke:9:10-17 :

info Faith Of Jesus Daily Devotional Podcast with RandyP

Context:


(also recounted kjv@Matthew:14:15-21 kjv@Mark:6:35-36-44)

Study Resources:

G652 apostolos dict:easton Apostle

dict:easton Bethsaida

dict:easton Miracle

Notes:

By the very definition miracles are beyond typical experience and natural deduction and therefore are highly debatable even among witnesses to the event. Yet is the big miracle that the intellectual expects to see before attributing something to the hand of a supernatural God. While miracles may not be a clear cut undeniable sign to others in our case for certainty, they are a clear cut sign of the critic's pantheistic beliefs and the forms of logic he/she must use to keep the miraculous unmiraculous. The simple fact is that the intellectual or naturalist eagerly seek a sign, not to prove though but disprove the suggestion of a supernatural God.

Too often I feel, we (both/all sides) fall into the trap of becoming too involved on proving the certainty of our view being right rather than conveying the certain differences of views and resultant logic drawn from each. No view point in this regard is completely defensible except perhaps the atheist's; that however does not mean that the atheist's is anywhere near being right, it is merely the defense of having no view point.

Here is where the logic for the Christian might turn however: If a supernatural God seeks to show Himself therein and confirm His message thereby while all to well knowing that such pantheistic logic is so widely prevalent, it either says that He is wrongly approaching them or that they are wrongly approaching Him (which is the entire supposition of the Bible). Truth is that there is no natural way to explain Jesus feeding five thousand men plus then women and any children from five loves and two small fish. Neither does there have to be if that is the way He intended it. He is not violating natural law especially if natural law proceeded to carry it out and if the supernatural God was the one telling Him to do it as one of these many signs. The logic further derived from that is no less defensible than the logic formed in the opposite direction unless it can be somehow proven one way or the other that these many miracles did or did not in fact happen; which is the likely impossible pursuit of the oppositions. Some would say it is the pursuit over a false dilemma which declares much about the certainty of their uncertainty regarding truth in general.

It does not appear that there was much historical conversation at the time of the absurdity of the claims being made, debate tended to be as to the meaning and source of such events occurring. Had the claim of such events been grossly unsupported there would be much more documented evidence at the time of the claim of these events being preposterous. Minus this feedback, we are left to the evidence suggesting that such events surrounding these miraculous claims likely existed.

Key Messages:

Delclaring Certainty

kjv@Acts:2:22 @ Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

kjv@John:5:36 @ But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.

kjv@1Corinthians:1:20 @ Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

kjv@1Corinthians:1:21 @ For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

kjv@1Corinthians:1:22 @ For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

kjv@1Corinthians:1:23 @ But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;


Further Resources:

Comment Board:Luke:9:10-17
index:FAITHOFJESUSDEVOTION - Devotional Index
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