Man's fall and how it effects us today.
I was once asked: "Does it suprize you that man fell within the first three chapters of a one thousand one hundred and eighty chapter Bible?" How does that affect me today?
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Is mankind fallen?
The opposing world views are not all that different when you think about it!
Either like most agnostics you believe that man started from zero and by his own evolution is working his way up through intelligence and works, else you believe like Judeo-Christians that man has fallen to zero and is attempting to work his way back up through his own self determined works. (A slight variation of the first, the athiest view, would say that man is climbing on his own up from zero but, that there is no Godly standard in which to be compared (some would add that mankind eventually becomes the God)).
The explaination "fall" might be contested by some, but, for the most part these views do agree on the present need (man not where he was, not where he will be, working towards). We'll use this near agreement as our base discussion starting point.
Where the Biblical view infactically diverges is at the point of the end result of man's own present effort. The final product of mans' sin Biblically will inescapably be greater sin. The longer and harder man works on his own apart from God the further his sin will evolve. We believe that God will eventually put an end to this self determined evil.
Not as many people reject this logic of a "Fall" as you might think.
The evidences that critics put forth that conclude that man is working his way up don't nessesarily disprove the conclusssion put forth by those of us who accept the term "fall.
It is my belief that the Biblical account of mans' fall is blurred today by the West's insistance solely upon the notion of self will and self determination. We fail to see how the choice of one man in the begining can affect the entire race to follow, especially us here today. This defensive mechanism is known as compartmentalization. If we can separate ourselves from the source then our defense is successful; or so we think.
The logical error we make in this thinking is that sin is a particular choice or action rather than a state or position of standing. By removing both the choice and the action temporarily from the equation though, we are left to consider that it is quiet logical that one mans decision and action could put us all into a position of ill standing.
- For example:
- if a one man reached up and turned the light switch off in the room all of us would then be in the state of being without light.
- If one man chose to poison all of his dinner guests, all of his dinner guests would then be in a state of being poisoned.
Neither example removes the intentions or actions of the guests, they merely put into proper perspective their overall effect regarding the situation that the one man has placed them under.
The second logical mistake we impose on the matter in this regard is to think it is somehow within our own ability individualy or collectively to restore/transpose ourselves back (or forward) to that elevated state.
- Is it for instance:
- within the physical and intellectual capacity of a falling sky diver solely by his own determination to re-board with the plane from which he exited?
There are a great many cases historically illustrating our collective inability to initiate and sustain even the simplest of our good intents. All nations arise on the promise of and crumble upon the utter failure of the fulfillment of the most basic of these desires. Why should it be any different amongst any of us individually?
Humanist notions often take generations to play out, much longer then any of us have time to watch, hiding their inate inabilities from the supporters until eventually all support collapses. Philosophies and theories each foster tag along economies that perpetuate ideas long past their importance and viability. It happens to the best of them. Logic and reasoning, science and ingenuity, wishes, initiative, and productive effort each have their rightful place, but, to superceed the truth of our situation I certainly doubt.
Again, we minimize as short comings the very impossibilities that define our common circumstance.
So how might the affects of "the fall" be observed on us nowadays?
For a moment let's stay close to home with the things we are closest to; our families.
|Self Justifying Truth:||Bible Truth:||Bible Verses:|
|God cannot be known.||God has given man over to a reprobate mind.||kjv@Romans:1:18-25|
|One man's fall (Adam) does not mean I have.||Because of Adam, sin/death are inescapable for all.||kjv@Romans:5:12|
|My compassionate God will tolerate/excuse my sin||Our God is merciful only when the righteous demands of His Truth have been met.|
When the Bible says "fallen" most of us individually try to search back for some point in our youth when we individually may have fallen. Not finding that point we assume that no fall has occured. Are we then excused?
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